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Thought id post up a thread of my Rover i am building to go racing with just to help get the forum alive :coffee: Not quite a MG i know but it is a continuation of my ZR160 as im using the drivetrain from it.

Anyway i wont go through the build bolt by bolt as been going on a little while now and a lot of it has been messing about and trial and error and some people my have seen it on other forums. So the long and short of the story is i stopped building the ZR as i wanted something a bit different and wanted to race in a pre 1993 championship :sofa: But now after yet another change of plan i am now aiming to race in Class B of the 750MC Hot Hatch Challenge. So onto the car, its a 1993 R8 3 door non sunroof 214 Sprint that i got it off a Rover trader after its 1 and only owner unfortunately fell ill and pasted away with just over 60k on the clock and no rust any where :beer2:

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So first thing was to strip everything out to a shell and get remove what was needed with my little helper....

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Next was to remove the engine from the ZR and the Rover....

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After all that was onto the suspension, i chose to used MG ZS 180 rear for the stronger arms, thicker roll bar and bigger brakes and ZR 160 front for the stronger thicker sub-frame, quicker steering rack and thicker roll bar again...

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At this point run in to a bit of a nightmare as where the steering rack passes into the car on the Rover was completely different. I had to cut of the factory mount of the Rover and make a new panel and use a ZR steering column....

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After said nightmare was behind me i painted the engine and front panel....

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Then onto painting the engine and gearbox....

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And into the hole...

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Next was a day out at Santa Pod to test it out but only got 2 runs due to weather. Heres a run against a friends trackday 180bhp Toyota Celica....

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Think i did ok as the track was so slippy was having to pull away at 1500 rpm or i would just wheel spin in 1st and into 2nd but was on poor tyres and still on a standard ZR160 gearbox with a open diff.

Next was a trackday at Bedford Autodrome....

https://youtu.be/EAYbg8viYpk

Had a good day but the car handled like a dog against the ZR but as it had standard ZR legs at front and standard ZS legs at rear didnt expect to set any records
 

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And that brings us up to date. Ive got a few things lined up to do but im back at Bedford on the 16th Feb to test again. My next plans are....

Fit the Quife ATB diff....

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Replace the poly bushes in the trailing arms for spherical bearings as the bushes are so hard i cant adjust the rear toe which is causing over steer on track i think as rear wheels where toeing out. Ive gone for PCI units as run by various Honda Civic race guys....

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And get the race seat in just waiting to get the floor bars welding in.
I plan to have the seat and bearing in ready for the trackday :dunno:

I hope you enjoy reading this thread, know its been a long one but will keep it updated as i go along now so not a huge lot to get through in one sitting.

I must say im happy with it tho as apart from the mapping ive done everything myself from the engine, wiring, suspension with no help other than from my 6 year old :hammerhea

The spec of engine that i built in the kitchen (THATS NO JOKE) is with keeping in spec of 750 Motor clubs class B regs so no high compression pistons, no porting or flowing to cylinder head ports....

Rebuilt ZR 160 VVC bottom end to Rover spec with colour coded bearings
OE 160 cylinder head with Piper 285H cam kit from DVA Power
K Series 190 VHPD spec Powertrain throttle bodies from a S1 Lotus Exige
Janspeed manifold and exhaust system
3.5 kg Elise parts race flywheel
Emerald K6 ecu with flat gear shift and switchable maps (1 for road and 1 for the track)

Engine made 183 bhp when was first built with a 7000rpm rev limit and still on the ZR160 factory exhaust system with the CAT fitted. John at Emerald estimated with a 7500 rpm limit and a proper exhaust may add another 10bhp both of which the engine now has and im hoping to get it mapped again soon.
 

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This type of thread is fantastic John. I find them for informative and for me somewhat envious of your skill sets.

The use of pictures to tell the story of the 214 development is a brilliant way of doing it.
 

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Got one side fitted today, must say im very impressed with the quality of the parts and the suspension moves so much freely now when you push down on the corner, compered to the side with the Poly bush in its like having to completely different springs fitted. I also noted that you hardly get any change in the angle of the wheel when you add weight or jack the car up slightly where as with the poly bushed side its quite noticeable so fingers crossed its looking like when a worth while, even tho expensive upgrade....

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It is crazy. Spherical bearing everywhere! They are amazing.

Not too bad to install then, couple of holes and bolt it in!?


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No nice and easy worse thing was getting the poly bushes out. Will give you a shout when upgrade the lower arms will go for the HardRace ones with the bearings
 

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Finally made a start on the new gearbox today since i had a day off work, been looking for a good low mileage G4BSV PG1 from another ZR160 but been unable to find one so ive decided i will use the G6BP box i have as a spare i got from a Lotus Elise S2 111S as i know its a good low mileage unit. Its the same low ratio 1st-5th gear set as the ZR160 but with the 3.9 diff rather than the 4.2 i want so im also replacing the input shaft and crown wheel to bring it to the same spec as the box already in the car. Just doing a dummy build for the moment so i can measure everything and order all the bearings, shims etc all together cant wait to test the ATB....

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Also i took the car to work yesterday to adjust the wheel alignment and i got to say im over the moon with the bearings
 

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Encouraging me to buy something to develop. No way I could be doing that with a gearbox though.
 

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Just quick inform, done a trackday yesterday at Bedford again to compare the car against how it was last time. I will be making a little video of my best lap from this and last trackdays side by side for comparison I'm just waiting for Javelin to add the pictures so can made a little video but i was just over 7 seconds (best vs best) faster than before since fitting the coil overs and PCI bearings which is two corners on the track so I'm on the right path. Still a long way to go but so next things are to double the spring rates (still to soft for track) and definitely need to get the LSD in as I was getting terrible wheel spin out of corners so was having to often say in a higher gear which is probably losing me a few seconds per lap but here's a little drive by clip filmed by someone in the pits....

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