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I have noticed that for some ZR/ZS and MGF/TF owners that MGR do not build the car to your preferred engine specification!

So what action do you take, well lets see, fit after market cams - throttle bodies - filters - induction kits and exhausts.

Then when things go wrong what is expected of MGR? Please Mr Dealer fix my car you will say, and his response is going to be a resounding NO! You will then go away and say alll sorts of bad things against MGR. However, you should STOP and gather your thoughts, before sounding off.

If you want to modify any manufacturers cars then why not - but remember you are invalidating the cars WARRANTY! I have friends with Scoobies, who have done much to their cars, but they KNOW that without the dealers consent that they are risking much! I also know of an EVO VI driver had to pay for a new engine because of playing with aftermarket kit - result a £9k bill! Ouch, so be warned before embarking on a the search for 20 extra bhp! :(
 

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why can't MG Rover do modifications in-house,i would like a uprated airbox to give me a deeper breathing V6 and a big bore exhaust like a friends Evo VII ;) i'd rather have it supplied & fitted by a MG Rover dealers than by some back street tuning shop.
a bit like what fords use to do many years ago at their specialist RS dealerships.
 

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Not only are these people making their warrenty invalid because of the modifications but are also likely to do the same to their insurance.

If a vehicle is modified the insurance company may wish to requote and alter the premiums.

Some mods will obviously have no effect (furry dice, nodding dogs etc) but some will need to be notified to DVLA also.

Be aware.
 
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Would be great if MGR were to allow official mods, I'm sure it will happen. :D Until then I think the standard engines are sufficient. :(

The big danger is that your warranty and insurance will be invalidated. :(

For instance when I bought by EVO VI, I carried out extensive modifications. The first being a HKS exhaust, as soon as Ralliart (CCC) got to hear of it, my warranty was torn up. Because the car was used infrequently, the battery would not hold charge. Yep, you've guessed it they wouldn't even authorise that to be exchanged. :( :(

As for insurance, most companies wouldn't even touch it. After I admitted the modifications, I could only get a quote from 2 companies.

One insurance company worked on the proviso that:

Exhaust - 5% loading.
Induction Kit - 30% (stupid I know).
ECU - don't be stupid!

Thought I would scare you to death! So induction kits for me are out!

This picture costs you 30% loading on a £960 premium - OUCH!

 
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Mike from Crawley is considering a Maxogen OR Pipercross Induction Kit. But is concerned about warranty.

Lets just list the advantages and disadvantages.

Advantages:
1. Increased performance (if you could notice).
2. May look better than standard.
3. Induction noise.

Disadvantages:
1. Initial outlay.
2. Increased insurance premium.
3. Not authourised or fitted by MGR.
4. Warranty invalidated.
5. Induction noise.

Then there is the wonderment that MGR will not cover any costs if and when anything goes wrong. You have changed the car from standard and hence modified a car that has specific emmissions and thus complies to specific regulatory rules. However, I don't doubt that NOTHING will go wrong.

I can understand why a manufacturer would baulk at a warranty claim with any after maket kit fitted. Where doees it stop - exhausts - brakes - springs - dampers? This is the real problem, not some after market induction kit. MGR has to regulate it, or take the easy option and say NO.

CCC on the EVO did sanction a conversion for the EVO VI for about 9 months - but using their fitters and their specified parts. This kit costes £3250 using parts totalling £1500. The extra cash was for warranty cover.

By all means fit induction kits, but I wouldn't expect MGR to honour any claims. As mentioned I did this on my EVO and if the engine then developed a fault I never expected them to cover it. I was shocked when they wouldn't change a battery though - you have been warned.

NB. Tell me of one other manufacturer that allows you to fit none
manaufacturer authorised non standard parts? Precisely - none. You can list Lotus and Subaru - who fit them as dealer options however!

NBB. The only way ahead would be to have authorised kits fitted by your MGR dealer that are sanctioned by MGR. This I doubt would happen as they would rather keep things simple and sell you the next car UP in the range. Unless you waive warranty (this was also done with the Ralliart EVO VI RS Sprint), because they knew the calims could be prohibatoive.

You makes your bed..................... So fit your kits and I would if I wanted the NOISE but just don't expect any sympathy if you are unlucky for ANYTHING to go wrong! So which kit do you recommend - they all look pants compared to HKS and Blitz anyway! K & N - look absolutely aweful!
 

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Currently Mike Staur is looking into induction kits for the ZS (his wife has a ZS 120) and his recommendation is for ITG / Pipercross.
Costs don't look too bad, but if something goes wrong MGR will not pick up the bits.
 
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JLD - agree totally!!

That's it, if you want it fit'em.

You don't have to wait until Mike Satur - or Roger Parker tells you they are OK. All of us know that a freer flowing source of cool air is better for performance - BUT!

As long as you know the consequences - that's fine. I wouldn't want to fit anything like this unless I was going the whole hog, especially if I was one of the "worrying kind!"

Another experience - the 6-pot AP's I had bought for the EVO VII and trying to modify for the ZT (incidentally the kit was sold on Friday). I was told that MGR wouldn't sanction the fitment (under safety), personally I think they were the dogs danglies and I would have fitted them if at all possible.

In my mind an acceptable warranty risk. More quotes "you can't have your cake and eat it!"
 

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£351 is a lot of money for a 10 bhp increase,so when you add up the pros and cons it dont look good.that works out at £35 per bhp:eek:

when i chipped my RST to 1 bar (170 bhp) that cost £325 so that worked out at about £8 per bhp :D

come on MG-R give us the ultimate ZS now,we all know its crying out for power so we can go EVO bashing :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

kev
 
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