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New Focus ST http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/p...s-motor-show-new-ford-focus-st.aspx?im=385821
Most peeps on the STOC don't like it and many are thinking of getting the VXR IF it handles this time. 280bhp as standard is bonkers.
Most peeps on the STOC don't like it and many are thinking of getting the VXR IF it handles this time. 280bhp as standard is bonkers.
The new st looks so much better than the new vxr . would have the st all day long
Couldn't disagree with you more
The new ST looks pretty minging, especially the back - all the creases look like its already been rear ended. Cant say Im a fan on the front, either. The dash looks ok, if a little techy and complicated. But then Im a bit of a fan of that. But I didnt like the original focus, either. I reckon the focus that is just ending its run looks the best of the bunch.
The VXR has the looks IMHO, even though it does look like a bit of a mash of a scirocco and a megane. But then the old VXR had more power (20bhp?) than the old ST, but the old ST used to run rings around it. Lets see if they've managed to make it handle this time, and if so I think it might be a bit of stiff competition for the focus.
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I really like it.
It certainly has the looks, and the interior looks cool. With a nice bit of power to boot.
I guess it will depend on the pricetag, but I think it will be a good ST competitor.
It certainly has the looks, and the interior looks cool. With a nice bit of power to boot.
I guess it will depend on the pricetag, but I think it will be a good ST competitor.
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I like the interior of the Focus but i'm not convinced the Astra will handle. After all, they had enough time to sort out the handling of the last one with the Nurbergring edition and all they did was boost power on a car that was known not to be able to handle the standard power very well. New Focus will be 2ltr 4 pot turbo so it will loose the HUGE torque output of the Volvo 5 pot. Don't know what power the Focus will be running but at a guess i would say 220-230bhp. I think the Focus looks too much like a bigger Fiesta. As a few peeps on the STOC have said....If you remap the Astra you will be getting well over 300bhp on an otherwise standard car so Ford are gonna have to produce something a bit special in the chassis department to match the Astra. The Fiesta ST is due out sometime in 2011 too with an expected 180bhp upwards from a 1.6 turbo. I think that might give a 230bhp Focus a run for it's money because the Focus is a heavy car.
I like the interior of the Focus but i'm not convinced the Astra will handle. After all, they had enough time to sort out the handling of the last one with the Nurbergring edition and all they did was boost power on a car that was known not to be able to handle the standard power very well. New Focus will be 2ltr 4 pot turbo so it will loose the HUGE torque output of the Volvo 5 pot. Don't know what power the Focus will be running but at a guess i would say 220-230bhp. I think the Focus looks too much like a bigger Fiesta. As a few peeps on the STOC have said....If you remap the Astra you will be getting well over 300bhp on an otherwise standard car so Ford are gonna have to produce something a bit special in the chassis department to match the Astra. The Fiesta ST is due out sometime in 2011 too with an expected 180bhp upwards from a 1.6 turbo. I think that might give a 230bhp Focus a run for it's money because the Focus is a heavy car.
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I think the new Focus ST is quite smart. It looks good with 5 doors which is nice.
The 2.5 in the current ST must be a great engine and I'd like to own one but I'd think twice now with the cost of fuel and road tax. Going down to a 2.0 turbo is definitely the right move and the only way they will be able to compete - the current Focus ST is known for being bad on fuel and this seems to affect the used prices a bit.
The new Astra definitely has the edge in styling over the Focus though. Just like the current VXR does.
I think history will repeat itself and the Astra will be better looking and more powerful, but not as good to drive. As I understand it the new Astra chassis is the same as the old one with the addition of a Watts linkage to the rear suspension. It's supposed to be better - mainly on ride quality - but still won't match the Focus setup for handling. Oh and as usual the Golf will be the slowest and most expensive but the best all rounder.
The 2.5 in the current ST must be a great engine and I'd like to own one but I'd think twice now with the cost of fuel and road tax. Going down to a 2.0 turbo is definitely the right move and the only way they will be able to compete - the current Focus ST is known for being bad on fuel and this seems to affect the used prices a bit.
The new Astra definitely has the edge in styling over the Focus though. Just like the current VXR does.
I think history will repeat itself and the Astra will be better looking and more powerful, but not as good to drive. As I understand it the new Astra chassis is the same as the old one with the addition of a Watts linkage to the rear suspension. It's supposed to be better - mainly on ride quality - but still won't match the Focus setup for handling. Oh and as usual the Golf will be the slowest and most expensive but the best all rounder.
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Re: New Astra VXR why when VXR8 6.0 is under 19K
VXR8 6.0lt V8 network Q car direct from vauxhall with the only way to buy on, the price £18980
if you going to spend the money do it properly.
Or Buy the same spec jag, bmw but of course that will be near 50K
Vauxhall understand keep it simple lots of toys lots of power and sensible money.
Love it, if only rover did the same with ZT V8 then we would have seen hundreds.
Funny when dealers sold them off at end for 16K for a new one from SMC, showed what the actual cost was for them!
VXR8 6.0lt V8 network Q car direct from vauxhall with the only way to buy on, the price £18980
if you going to spend the money do it properly.
Or Buy the same spec jag, bmw but of course that will be near 50K
Vauxhall understand keep it simple lots of toys lots of power and sensible money.
Love it, if only rover did the same with ZT V8 then we would have seen hundreds.
Funny when dealers sold them off at end for 16K for a new one from SMC, showed what the actual cost was for them!
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