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In my opinion the MG6 was penned still under Uk ownership, and as the factory still had ties to chassis from Honda (ZS ZR) it seems very strange that when you look at the current Civic (not the euro dross we have but the real civic / integra) it still uses the same chassis as the ZS which is a honda.

At MG live a hybrid civic was parked and looks almost identical to the MG 6. Ok the chinese have had copy bmw parts made for the running gear which is ZT wheels/ brakes suspension. But then again a BMW have invested in cars being made in China they are probably made under license.


 

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Now dont be shocked but look at this and tell me that the car is not a direct decendant of the integra/zs based new civic (not the euro dross that we have)
See hand brake detail
 

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The MG6 as with most of these supposed new MG's were designed at longbridge and all the chineese are doing is showing no respect for the orininal employees of MG Rover. The interior on the MG 6 is a miss match of parts from various cars the ones that stand out for me are the corsa heater vents and astra steering wheel. Also nice to see they still can't get the V6 engine rite yet that's because they ain't got a clue, my father had numerious calls from china asking him about trouble they were having with the engine and his responce was either re employ me or stop ringing. I am sorry but in my opinion I hope it falls on it's face after what these people did to the original work force. Ran over and sorry if I have offended any true MG supporters but MG would never get my support again when it comes to the new cars.
 

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im not being funny here, but china never had anything to do with rover going under, and i can see why they wouldnt initialy want to start making the mg's here, they still dont know if they are going to sell here so why set up the factory ready, as i said before if you could make a product cheaply yourself at home, or pay someone else to make it far away for more money, then your going to make it yourself arent you. maybe if the mg becomes big enough again then they maybe would make it here at some point in the future if it sells well enough

as to the car i think most modern cars are starting to look the same now so maybe it isnt stolen
 

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Firstly there would be no MG if it was not for China. The whole world had the chance to take MG but only the Chinese put ther money where their mouth is. If you want to blame anyone. Blame the Labour goverment who just let all our industry go you could also blame the British public and the MG workers who would not buy the product that paid their wages. I was always shocked to see all the forign cars owned by the workers. MG's new owners have put a lot of money into Longbridge and MG. They bought out Recardo in Coventry and moved all the staff to the new Design and Engineering facility at Longbridge (now called MG Birmingham) The car is NOT a Honda but a new car designed by MG here and in China. The new track built at Brimingham which has just this week had the first MG6 built on it shows the Chinese intention to produce cars in Britain. I have a picture in my office of the first car off the line. Why do the British have to knock any attempt to make our industry work. In these hard times for many, including a lot of MG staff who lost their jobs is it not time to support our own fragile industry.
 

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you know what, if it was identicle mechanically to a korean car thats brilliant, new hyundai's, kia's ect are brilliant, all they have to do for me is add a bit of the old MG flare to them to make them a bit different n i would buy one over a Kia anyday, its still early days for them, after a few have come out theyll modify it slightly for the brittish market to make it a bit more mean
 

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Its just hideous I'm afraid, people say "wait til you see it in the flesh" - what are you supposed to do, never take a picture of it then?
Cover the badge up and it could be anything, most likely something Korean & cheap tbh.
You'd have to buy one in a bright colour or be resigned to constantly walking home then coming back for it later when the car park was empty and so easier to spot.
Great car for the bank robber though, witness: "well it was a sort of er, erm, well, car type thing, maybe a Hyundai?"
Can see Jason Statham driving one in next Transporter film - won't need fancy number plate changing mechanism or anything.
"The new track built at Brimingham which has just this week had the first MG6 built on it" Is this where they bolt the front bumper on and top up the screen wash?
Chinese: saviours of MG, don't make me laugh! Had they had the chance to buy another well known name as cheaply do you seriously think we'd still be looking at MGs? The whole world would now be swooning over the new Ford6, Vauxhall6, Citroen6 or whatever.
Think there has to be an "emporers new clothes" thing going on which I haven't been told about - elsewhere people are saying it looks sporty - beyond me, looks as sporty and agile as a blindfolded walrus riding a unicycle.
Before anyone says it, if MGR were still going I'd still be saying "wtf?" regarding this thing.
Whats all this "fastback" rubbish I see everywhere too? Its a hatchback ffs...
Not my cup of tea at all - maybe if I were about 3 decades older.
 

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I agree 100% with Brian (Scooter) China as NAC/SAIC have saved MG Marque and have the investment capacity to develop a modern and complete range and they have shown solid intention to build as well as engineer cars in UK.

It does look good in reality, some cars do not photo well and thats quite common especially with well structured designs, its hard to get the complete picture until its seen in 3D.

New cars need to appeal to a much wider audience than the old MG/Rover line up ever did.

MG Rover went bust because they could not sell enough cars to stay in business, thats the long and short of it. All the surrounding politics and comment can't escape that basic fact.

Ever since the first mass produced cars apperead they all had similar looks.

Why?

Because they had to serve a common function, with similar constraints and materials etc. Tastes and fashion have the effect of steering designers in the same general direction too. Result is that the most popular cars look similar.

When someone tries to break the design mould they fail, unless they can create a small (often loss making) nieche. Mass market odd balls are usually quietly dropped, eg Renault Vel Satis (massive flop) Renault Avantime, (both were envisaged as mass market leaders with big volumes, despite what Reggie says now)
 

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If it doesn't look good in pictures what are they going to do about brochures? Just fill pages with flowery descriptive terms?
The big thing in my mind is they haven't saved the marque, what they have done is made their own car and stuck an MG badge on the front.
OK so a few ex MGR people had a hand in designing it, would it then be a Rolls Royce if some of their ex designers did it, would it be a Bentley it it was some of theirs?
Its going to be made (couple of bits bolted on?) on the 10% that remains of Longbridge' is that enough to make it MG?
What if they had bought a plant down the road, would that have made them Rootes, Hillman, Peugeot?
Would people be interested in buying a "Ling Po Freedom Of The Road 1.8" had they not got the MG name?
They're trying to claim the Britishness angle but if someone states it looks too oriental then the old "gotta cater for the world stage" argument comes out, wheres the Britishness then?
Theres just no appeal in it to me, don't know about designed by exMGR staff, looks, from the side at least, as if it was the 4 year old daughter of one of the staff.
From the front it looks like its already been crashed, is it a damaged repairable Pug or an MG6:
 

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If it doesn't look good in pictures what are they going to do about brochures? Just fill pages with flowery descriptive terms?
The big thing in my mind is they haven't saved the marque, what they have done is made their own car and stuck an MG badge on the front.
OK so a few ex MGR people had a hand in designing it, would it then be a Rolls Royce if some of their ex designers did it, would it be a Bentley it it was some of theirs?
Its going to be made (couple of bits bolted on?) on the 10% that remains of Longbridge' is that enough to make it MG?
What if they had bought a plant down the road, would that have made them Rootes, Hillman, Peugeot?
Would people be interested in buying a "Ling Po Freedom Of The Road 1.8" had they not got the MG name?
They're trying to claim the Britishness angle but if someone states it looks too oriental then the old "gotta cater for the world stage" argument comes out, wheres the Britishness then?
Theres just no appeal in it to me, don't know about designed by exMGR staff, looks, from the side at least, as if it was the 4 year old daughter of one of the staff.
From the front it looks like its already been crashed, is it a damaged repairable Pug or an MG6:
Don't be so negative mate. Have you even seen an MG6 yet in the flesh?

I went to MG Live and have not only seen one "live", I also sat in it and had a poke round.
It looks like a good quality car which may well sell very well to folk who don't have scales over their eyes and are blinkered about what happened 5 years ago at Longbridge. If WE didn't buy enough new MG's and Rovers is that the Chinese' fault?

I have seen quite a few cars which have similar shapes, this is something to do with EU car accident rules and "pedestrian friendly" cars.
 

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I'm not blinkered but theres a lot of facts people are either blind to or choosing to ignore.
The main one being its a mass market Chinese car with no known history, just that its got MG on the front and this for some reason makes it "wonderful".
As I said if it was a Lung Po 1.8 Sedan would you be interested?
If you have to "see it in the flesh" doesn't this simply mean they haven't made a pretty enough car, rather than relying on people going to Silverstone / local dealer about 100 miles away?
The Zeds IMO were stunning cars which made you want to go and see them, can they not manage that anymore?
 

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As I said if it was a Lung Po 1.8 Sedan would you be interested?
What do you mean if ? It is a Lung Po 1.8 Sedan . . . OK, SAIC 1.8 Sedan.

Lets not lose sight of what it actually is just because of the octagonal bit of plastic on the front and back . . .

When they have built an engine plant in the UK, have a proper factory and line at Longbridge where they press panels and weld them together, then, maybe, I will change my mind . . . then, maybe, I won't feel so vitriolic about a Chinese company plastering the Union Jack over their cars . . .

I hope SAIC succeed in the UK and Europe, why ? for the sake of the workers in the Longbridge area, no other reason.
 

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I prescribe bluezs and RaptorUK the following




PS it's nothing like the Honda.
 

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What do you mean if ? It is a Lung Po 1.8 Sedan . . . OK, SAIC 1.8 Sedan.

Lets not lose sight of what it actually is just because of the octagonal bit of plastic on the front and back . . .

When they have built an engine plant in the UK, have a proper factory and line at Longbridge where they press panels and weld them together, then, maybe, I will change my mind . . . then, maybe, I won't feel so vitriolic about a Chinese company plastering the Union Jack over their cars . . .

I hope SAIC succeed in the UK and Europe, why ? for the sake of the workers in the Longbridge area, no other reason.
Pity MGR never managed to press panels at Longbridge either.

Manufacturers tend to buy in sub assemblies (MGR bought most of TF in completed by Mayflower) and then bring them together. The days of making everything in house are long gone, except MG Motors wil be in control of more component manufacture than we were in uk since BL days.
 

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the last bunch of mg's where rovers underneath and yet youve still bought one, and before that maestro's the last real MG's where the mgb's ect
still early days so dont think you can decide whats what yet at least give them a chance
 

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This whole subject will be disputed day after day, year after year until MG finally sell high volumes of cars wether it's the MG6, 3 or even the Zero. I was a huge MGR fan, i've been involved with the MGR brand since i left school 20 years ago and with my company it's still ongoing and my take on it is that why they're building and designing at Longbridge then it's all good news. It's a shame we lost the Powertrain division but apart from the Engine and Trans being made over the road there's no major difference to pre2005. When the TF build was started in 2008 it was reported everywhere that it was a kit being assembled at Longbridge, this is pretty much how it's always been apart from the Engines coming from 100yards down the road and the Bodys coming in via a Train.
The MG6 isn't a bad looking car but i must agree that it's not striking like the Zed range was but i'm sure when production starts the process of giving us an extreme version will follow on. And as for Kia's and Hyundai's being great cars, i think you're off your trolley! They're awful. And before i saw a MG6 in the flesh i thought the interior materials will be as bad as the Koreans but it's not, the MG6 has great materials and is on par with the best around and this i believe was a Chinese built LHD version so would expect the RHD UK spec to be as good if not better.
I had a new ZT in 2001 and loved it but sold it to buy a ZS because of its involvement in the BTCC, and i'm sure that if the MG6 enters it in 2011 that it'll change a lot of peoples minds about it.
 

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. And as for Kia's and Hyundai's being great cars, i think you're off your trolley! They're awful.

well i have to disagree, for the money theyre brilliant, i30 compared to a focus, for the same money as a base focus your getting half leather seats good interior and a 5 year warrenty, nd the 3 door ceed actually looks great, id consider having one over a focus anyway and has a seven year warrenty

but yeah i agree give MG six months of production n there will be a bodykitted one out
 

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OK, we'll have to agree to disagree. I can see what you say about value but the MG dealer i worked for turned into a Hyundai dealer so i saw the unreliability and poor handling and comfort that they have and seeing a Rover dealer turned overnight into a different maufacturer was horrid so i'm a bit biased! They drive ok for the money but it's the blandness and the cheapy interior trim that sticks in my mind when people talk about them.

ooh, on the Kia thing though, the 'Soul' looks quite trendy. (still would buy one though!)
 
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