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It has seemed that way, shes bullying them and when it comes to me I dont take it so she throws a wobbler. I do believe she needs bringing down a few pegs Im just waiting for her to start on me and not provoking for her to blame it on me.

Apart from that yes she's smoking some 'legal' version of weed called Skunk but her b/f smokes weed as my mate knows him. He's an unemployable worthless div who does nothing else with his days apart from play console games and smoke.

She needs attention just I dont think a counsellor is going to have the effect which is needed, when she can say what she likes unchallenged.

Your all right to an extent, just wondered if anyone knew if there was a process for getting such people 'looked after' as it were.
I think your family has to be strong - but not violent with her - with an amount of understanding - but not pandering to her. No-one should tolerate being threatened or bullied in their own house, by a member of their own family......this could break down into a really nasty situation...I sincerely hope not. If she won't seek proper help of her own accord...dare I suggest Section 2 of the mental health act...wielding a knife at one's parents is probably reason enough for her to be detained to be honest...she's not a teenager.
Regarding skunk...it's lethal! It's (I think) now being proven to be linked with psychosis and psychotic outbursts...
See these links....
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...th-news/so-how-dangerous-is-skunk-441729.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2007/03/26/hcannabis126.xml

Best thing would be that she was no where near that BF...who knows what other things he has his fingers into..?
I wasn't squeaky clean as a youth....but I knew where the boundaries lay...she doesn't I'm afraid. Saying that, she does need support in some way - not aggression.
 

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Hmm! not always the case though. After all we are not talking young teenager here.There's only two ways it will go. With help she can get straightened out or if she ignores or refuses help or that she has a problem especially with that t**ser of a b/f it can spiral out of control.
 

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Your parents need to be stronger with her and not give in to her demands. Im guessing she knows exactly whats shes doing by the way she has been with the counseller. Do you not have a family member that she could go stay with for a bit i.e someone that would be alot firmer with her. Skunk is just a stronger version of bush but I agree it does affect people in different ways. I smoked it for several years and never had a problem. It's supposed to be a drug that just makes you chill out. I think you have to smoke it for a good number of years before it affects you mentally. Do you think she could be taking something different? I know you said the b/f is a knob jockey but have you tried to talk to him to see if she is like this with him ? When you say she flips out could you provide some examples as to what she is flipping out about.
 

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Not being funny,but i think lewerty has a point..If you let her do those things and get away with it,then she has won and she'll do it again because there is no retaliaiton.I say call her bluff ask her if she wants to spend a few yrs behind bars for asault with intent,and tell her to take plenty baby oil to mask the taste of pussy!!...and if that fails and she goes for you, or your parents then give her a good kicking. And if police get involved you feared for your safety and the safty of others around you at the time ..pleading self defence!!!cause make no mistake, no brother or sister of mine, that did that to me or my parents, would wish they hadnt been bourne hope you find truth in this answer
Spot on Kel
 

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It has seemed that way, shes bullying them and when it comes to me I dont take it so she throws a wobbler. I do believe she needs bringing down a few pegs Im just waiting for her to start on me and not provoking for her to blame it on me.

Apart from that yes she's smoking some 'legal' version of weed called Skunk but her b/f smokes weed as my mate knows him. He's an unemployable worthless div who does nothing else with his days apart from play console games and smoke.

She needs attention just I dont think a counsellor is going to have the effect which is needed, when she can say what she likes unchallenged.

Your all right to an extent, just wondered if anyone knew if there was a process for getting such people 'looked after' as it were.

hmmm Canabis can defo affect you in different ways my mate who i used to work with until he moved to leeds was like that

If you said something he didnt like hed go absolutley mental.

I just learned to steer clear of him or just be careful what you say.......

I agree with Kel she needs a damn good wack or just put her on her ass even if you dont hit her, tell her if you "wave a knife at Mom And Dad again you will procede to kick her as hard as you can in the stomach.

i think she'd soon get the picture mate

She is what i call "Jee i wish my Daddy owned a bank kinda girl" AKA Spoilt little ****
 

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Aye, I shall not instigate anything but sure as hell wont stand for violence from her. At which point she'll learn pretty damn quick.

As for the b/f he's scared of her too I think, but he's a useless div at the same time! She also wont allow anyone to speak to him as he's 'nothing to do with it'
He's also scared of me and my dad being such a stick insect and unhealthy.
 

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Apart from that yes she's smoking some 'legal' version of weed called Skunk but her b/f smokes weed as my mate knows him. He's an unemployable worthless div who does nothing else with his days apart from play console games and smoke..
Sorry to hear this matey- i really feel for you n your family, but imo the above that i have quoted is almost certainly A BIG part of the problem (The drugs & the BF!)

I have a mate (that i haven't seen in ages now tbh!) Who's been smoking this kinda crap for a good while now, and whilst i'm not trying to stereotype ALL folks who do part-take, from what i have seen of folks who are involved with this/any kind of drug like this- then you can easily become involved with/associated with other people/the lifestyle that revolves around drugs & those that use it (you gotta get it from somewhere after-all!), and i have had the dis-pleasure in meeting/crossing paths with some people that i really would class as world class turds/scum/junkies etc! Point i'm trying to make is that- whether it's the drugs he's using/smoking- whatever!, or the folks he's hanging round with (or a combination of both!)- i have seen a gradual change in my mates behaviour, and it's been for the worst aswell- to the point where he's gotten a rather snappy/violent side to him, and he's glassed another bloke before- just for brushing past him in a night-club!!!!

Ok your sister's probably well different, but the combination of her choice of BF, and the drugs is a big swaying factor in me saying that i think it's playing a BIG part in her behaviour!
 

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Spot on post higher up the page, skunk is the mega-strong synthetic stuff. Keep at it with that stuff and it can lead to paranioa and mood swings.

A lad I worked with years ago went to Amsterdam and got hold of the strongest stuff he could buy (despite being warned not to by friends etc). He smoked a load and had an episode, ending up in a hospital over there. He was never the same again, he had really bad insomnia and never slept apart from when he got drunk at weekends!

Hmmm. She needs to stop smoking that stuff and see if it helps. I imagine getting her to do that isn't going to be easy though.
 

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What is she doing for money. Does she work or is this where the arguments / tantrums eminate from? Just watch she doesn't start stealing and flogging stuff from the house etc.
 

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feel for you mate i really do !, my x was the same (as is her mam) and her sister now 28 is even worse , she still lives at home and has the family terrified of her, there have been too many incidents to mention (one involved her sis in a blind rage ripping the front door of and throwing it in the street), think what peeps are saying is right if they think they can get away with it they will, my x moved out a long time ago settled down a lot with me , responsible job , house , family etc and was always still treated second best and blamed for everything(because her mother wasnt scared of her like her sister and wouldnt chastise her) so she got the brunt of her mothers frustrations at her sister (which got passed to me verbally and physically). Sister is still the same like a spoilt brat my 4 year old wouldnt do what she does. think its just because she can and until parents stand up to her (which will be hard) then they will carry on manipulating everyone the same way to get what they want regardless of what they do to the family !

not good times sorry buddy
 

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Spot on post higher up the page, skunk is the mega-strong synthetic stuff. Keep at it with that stuff and it can lead to paranioa and mood swings.

A lad I worked with years ago went to Amsterdam and got hold of the strongest stuff he could buy (despite being warned not to by friends etc). He smoked a load and had an episode, ending up in a hospital over there. He was never the same again, he had really bad insomnia and never slept apart from when he got drunk at weekends!

Hmmm. She needs to stop smoking that stuff and see if it helps. I imagine getting her to do that isn't going to be easy though.
Then how is it legal to buy 'off the net' over here? Its also illegal in the USA, AUS, and many other countries!
 

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I was always under the impression it was illegal.

Its certainly known to cause mental health problems which become severe with prolonged use.

Your parents have like so many others created a monster by being too liberal.

If they truely love her then its time they acted in her best interests and forced her to get help. This can be by encouragement or just get her sectioned (its easier than you think!)

Maybe look at some of the private treatment and rehab places esp overseas. The Bratt camp style ranches are very successful esp with drug and behavoiral disorders as it takes people away from the root cause.

Or consider moving to a remote island in Shetland where survival means no time to act up.

I would not reccomend she gets into a position where she ends up in prison. Prisons are the last place mentally ill people should be and drugs are even more freely available there then on the streets!

Good luck, its a very tough journey, just take it one step at a time.
 

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I was Chairman of the local high school for 12 years and in that time I had to attend many lectures on drug abuse. There is a popular belief that Canabis has no lasting effect and it is safe to use. Our goverment made it legal to have the drug if it was for self use only. The truth is the goverment did not want to spend the time and money on the police or the courts dealing with the problem. CANABIS IS NOT SAFE AND IT DOES HAVE A PEMANENT EFFECT if used over a prolonged time. Constant regular use causes serious mood swings and all the other problems that go with them. This young lady is showing these signs at a quite early age. The NHS is very worried about the future cost of dealing with these people in the next ten years by which time the real effects will be all to evident. Dealing with this young person is a very hard thing to do, you must remember that when their behavour is bad they dont know that it is. You have to help the person to see the state they get into before you can get them to accept that they have a real problem. One good way is to video them when they are at there worst without them knowing and then on a good day let them see themself. Hard as it may seem confrontation does not work, you have to try to get them to see themselfs and accept they have a problem if not there is very little you can do. Its all too common for this situation to happen, first thing you need is to get rid of the fella or he will just suck her down. The girl needs help but sometimes you have to accept that you are not able to.
 

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Ditto scooter - a good point and that goes for any stimulant you might overdo including coffee believe it or not.

I used to drive performance cars at very high speeds during the night (work it out for yourself) and we would have maybe 10 cups of coffee (a shift) to help stay sharp. After a 7 day tour I would get DT like shakes on my days off which was worrying because I was only 22 at the time.... couldn't work out why until I went to the docs and he told me it was caffeine depravation because I didn't drink any coffee out of work.

Obviously after this I stopped drinking coffee (or tea or pop) and after about a month or so I felt much better - brighter on a morning, less tetchy and more able to cope with the normal day to day stresses. The mormon's have got a good point about health of mind and body (they don't allow any coffee, tea or carbonated drinks).

I don't think coffee has any long term effects like drink or drugs and is obviously quite trivial compared to Mephiston's sister and her issues but my point is that it's quite easy to get sucked into something like this and often you are not even aware that it has become a problem or is effecting your mental state and personality.

The critical thing to do is to remove the stimulant and / or the environment that is encouraging its use (including friends unfortunately). Without this you simply have no chance of dealing with the outward behaviour. This isn't easy but it can be done. In a worst case scenario it can be done forcibly by sectioning the person although you would need a doctor and social care worker to authorise this both working together. The person would then spend time in a care facility for assessment or until they are eased off the drug (s). This is a route the Police will go in serious circumstances that involve ANY type of weapon - e.g. threatening someone with a knife whilst in a deranged state.

Sorry to hear of this situation Mephiston and I hope that you and yours can get sorted in the near future. Good luck mate.


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Hard as it may seem confrontation does not work, .
Scooter im not knocking you for your expertease in child care for a second here.But this is a young woman that is threatening with weapons confrontaion does work,EG.lets just make a senario,you have been cheating on your wife,she has found out about it, but you dont know.So when you are un aware she comes out with ...where were you last night...putting you on a spot..you try to denie it,but you get flustered and start to dig a hole with a very red face. Then she tells you,that you have been seen.So this is a senario,but how has it made you think?What im trying to say in this is that she is human,and every human has a braking point.brake her and she will give in,I now revert to my first comment thank you

Let her get away with it and she'll come back for more!!

"sorry mr police man if i wave this gun at you will you let me off and get me some help" I dont think so
 

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Then how is it legal to buy 'off the net' over here? Its also illegal in the USA, AUS, and many other countries!
I am almost 100% sure you can not buy weed/skunk off the internet. Are you sure it's not a herbal form, a bit like tea. This you can buy in shops that stock all smoking stuff without actually selling the drug i.e weed pipes,bongs and rolling papers etc.. If you could buy skunk etc off the net then there would be no dealers and there are still dealers around. You can still get done for possesion of canabis but if it is a small amount for personal use then this will be taken off you and a street caution issued.
 

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Its some legal alternative? Herbalhighs is the website, and sumit called spice she uses.

I duno but her b/f smokes more than just this anyway. So is exposed regulary to it.
 

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OK I've checked out the website and I'm no scientist but I'm guessing their using different chemicals which is what makes it legal. I think you would be far safer using illegal weed. At least that way what is grown is smoked. In this case it is mixed with god knows what. The reviews on some of the products is completely different to what you would get off the illegal stuff. Some reviews state a great high (nothing wrong here) but a bad comedown, this is the problem. You should not experience a comedown after smoking weed, the effects just simply wear off. This is why I question what the chemical is their using as this may be your problem. Also it doesn't really look like skunk.

Not that I would know :err:
 
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