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Latest update is that they have fitted a new tank (LP?) pump under insurance warranty and I am currently running the full tank down to nearly empty in order to check the result. :MG:
 
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Thanks for your excellent post ZTTman - came home after a long trip yesterday no problems - decided to go out last night and wouldnt fire up. This posed more than a bit of a problem since the ZT was parked behind the ZR on a tandem drive so both cars scuppered. Followed your instructions and within an hour problem solved. Many thanks
 

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Rob Cavell said:
Latest update is that they have fitted a new tank (LP?) pump under insurance warranty and I am currently running the full tank down to nearly empty in order to check the result. :MG:
There is another thread now running on this subject regarding the Diesel version but for the record the new tank pump has fixed my problems.
Since the fitting of the new pump I have twice now run the tank down to the warning light without experiencing any starting problems. :MG:
 

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I get the distinct impression that the pump is the diesel weak point whereas filter separation is the petrol weak point! I still haven't got around to fitting the "official" factory security clip on my petrol ZT-T, but so far the old self tappers have done the job. Perhaps one of the warmer days... It really is an outdoor job with the petrol fumes.
 

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.......petrol fumes.
Talking of fumes........I broke a whole bottle of 'mothers ruin' (it was a litre of Gordons too!) in the rear passenger seat-well last week and the stink is 'still' (sorry) subsiding!
I just hope the OB don't give me a pull until it's all evaporated. :MG:
 

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ZTTMAN said:
I get the distinct impression that the pump is the diesel weak point whereas filter separation is the petrol weak point! I still haven't got around to fitting the "official" factory security clip on my petrol ZT-T, but so far the old self tappers have done the job. Perhaps one of the warmer days... It really is an outdoor job with the petrol fumes.
Do you happen to have a part no. for this "official" factory security clip. I'm looking to buy a ZT 190 and it will be the first thing to be done when I get it.

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Thanks very much for this advice and pics, my symptoms were very spooky. Drove car home 60 odd miles from work, stopped at the cash point and then the chip shop no problems, parked at home, 6am next day just cranked not even the feeblest attempt to start.
This weekend got as far as not being happy with the fuel pressure on cranking, then found this thread!
Fixed car in less than an hour this morning, very happy. For my full gratitude and pleasure see my intro message in new members.
Thanks
 

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.....and there are still MG Rover workshops out there who are blatently unaware of this modification clip and prefer to replace the entire in tank pump assembly! Idiots!
 

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.....and there are still MG Rover workshops out there who are blatently unaware........Idiots!
Tell me about it!!.....plus all the other 'specialist' miss-diagnostics we have to put up with.
My most blatant experience was on my Rover 820 auto when the oil warning light started coming on at 90 MPH.....I was told "That can't happen sir, your engine would be ruined if you had no oil pressure"!!!!!!!!!!!
I could go on for months...which was how long it took with many visits to the franchise dealer when finally the light to came on permanently and they managed to fix it.

Same car...the steering started knocking....they had it up on the ramp took a look then sent me away saying the immortal words "don't worry sir it's not going to collapse...bring it back next week and well fix it"....24hrs later it....collapsed (engine on the ground job!).

Yeh...tell me about it! :cry: :cry: :cry:
 

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.....and there are still MG Rover workshops out there who are blatently unaware of this modification clip and prefer to replace the entire in tank pump assembly! Idiots!
I popped into my local X-Part specialist servicing centre last week to ask if they had a clip I could buy. They didn't know such a thing existed and were still using self tappers in the filter module joint line to do the job...

There also seems to still be great confusion between the pump module and the fuel filter module. There is even a guy regularly selling fuel filter modules on E Bay but captioning them as pump modules.
 

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Looks as though I'll be getting my hands on a ZT190 and doing this modification in a couple of weeks!
 

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I did mine last week. When I took the filter out the clip would not fit in place. After a bit of head scratching I realized that the assembly was half undone already, not sure how much longer it would have lasted! Tightned it up and fitted the plastic clip from e bay with no problem. BTW the tool to do up the locking ring needs to be fairly robust. I got one made up at work. If anyone from the Oxford area wants to borrow it they are welcome, although I suspect a hammer and punch wound be pretty effective although you would need to watch the seal.
 

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.....and there are still MG Rover workshops out there who are blatently unaware of this modification clip and prefer to replace the entire in tank pump assembly! Idiots!
I will be collecting my own ZT-T 190 2 days late because the ex MGR dealer I'm buying it from are waiting for a new fuel pump as the car didn't start for them when they serviced it...

sounds awfully familiar doesn't it...
 

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ZTTMAN...Many thanks for your help today. No probs with my ZT so far but today wouldn't start. Breakdown man was on my path stumped, having tried the inertia switch. My 11.0am meeting was looking doubtful. Checked this site and your instructions and you were bang on! Breakdown man had print out and went through the process. Twisted two halves together (in petrol tank) then asked me to try and start and it went first time. (He took the print-out with him and went away chuffed).
Just one thing...I'm a bit nervous abbout this coming undone again...is there anything i can do to stop it??

Dvd
 

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well many thanks to ZTTMAN. without his info djb773 would have possibly have been paying workshop prices to get his zt on the road again.
after a bit of thrutching under the back seat.... the car started.... i was about ready to slate it for a fuel pump fualt, having checked for fuel line pressure at the take off valve under the bonnet and chacked inertia switch and related fuses and relays. im always grateful for any roadside fixes... i much prefer to wave people away rather than tow them away.... any quick fixes you can tell me will go through the company and may help you or your friends at the roadside.

all the best
steve
 

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Glad to be of assistance djb773. I dread to think how many times this fault has been misdiagnosed by garages that should have known better including those purporting to be MGR specialists. You hear in particular of many fuel pumps being replaced at a cost of hundreds when they rarely if ever go wrong (on petrols at least...).

To secure the unit you need to either insert self tappers as shown at the start of this thread, or fit the more recently available official security clip (WJC000230). I have not heard of either of these fixes failing (unless anyone knows differently?)

The clip you can get from any XPart dealer (including Rimmer Bros) for around a fiver. There are reports of them breaking occasionally during fitting so it might be worth getting a couple.

As for e36fflt71, I'm glad this forum helped and thanks for taking the time to post your comments. There is nothing like owner forums for highlighting common problems and fixes to our pride and joys. As I said above, many so called MGR specialists mis-diagnose so the challenge is immense for guys like you dealing with hundreds of models and variants. Oh, I nearly forgot to say WELCOME TO THE FORUM
 

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once again thank you ZTTMAN for help and advice
im on my days off now.
the company i work for does have slightly smaller trucks than that which is pictured.
other than the head gasket problems that come with the k series engine i would still like to hear of any problems that huant mg/rover vehicles so that i may wave customers away as opposed to towing them away.
i do try to pride myself on my fix rate but a helping hand is always useful.
not everything is flat batteries... flat tyres or the drivers inability to read a fuel guage..... gone are the days of cleaning up the points..... blowing out the jets in the carb... when i first went out on the road dealing with non starts... now i find myself just asking "does sir have a garage that he normally use"... to plug the car into.
i do my job to fix cars... its what i spent time at college for... its what i want to do... yes i have top notch equipment to tow them. but im a mechanic, not a steering wheel attendant. so any roadside fixes... let me know and in the words of that song from the 70s by billy swan... if youve got a problem.. i can help.
all the best
steve
 
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