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Ok it´s time to think about changing standart brake discs and pads for tuning ones. What are the best one to fit ZS best (price/performance)?
Q1. i have one pair of brembo discs vented 262mm and pads from my old rover 420di, will they fit ZS 180 rear axle ? ( or will I need change also calipers?)
Q2. is there any effect of changing a standart braking lines for steel ? (what does it change)

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I might be wrong but I think you should be able to use the discs from the R420.

The advantage of the braided (steel) brake hoses is that they don't expand the same way the rubber ones do when you push on the brake peddle so more braking force is transfered to the actual brake.

If you get Goodridge braided hoses you will need one set of
http://www.brakes4u.co.uk/itemdetail.asp?catid=27086
to fit the back ones.
 

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I fitted a huge set of TAROX 6 pot callipers and 2 part discs. It required some modding of the car to get it all to fit, clearance between wheel and calliper is 1mm at best. It's a major job to do but the brakes are now bomb proff, heat proff and with racing pads, real racing pads I am extremely happy. been on car for 20k now and LOL the super hard racing pads are at 85%!!!!! told you they were hard.
 

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hello matey how you doing ?
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Ok it´s time to think about changing standart brake discs and pads for tuning ones. What are the best one to fit ZS best (price/performance)?
Q1. i have one pair of brembo discs vented 262mm and pads from my old rover 420di, will they fit ZS 180 rear axle ? ( or will I need change also calipers?)
Q2. is there any effect of changing a standart braking lines for steel ? (what does it change)

thx for replyes
EBC turbo groove with yellow pads i drive on them, race on them, won championship on them. No need for big brakes on a road car and to be fair on a race they are good but your need 6 on front and 2 on rear get silly expensive waste of money in my humble opinion.

Best value and performance, have yellow pads in stock front and rear and rear discs, fronts on 2-3 day turn around from facotry if you want them pm me.

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EBC turbo groove with yellow pads i drive on them, race on them, won championship on them. No need for big brakes on a road car and to be fair on a race they are good but your need 6 on front and 2 on rear get silly expensive waste of money in my humble opinion.

Best value and performance, have yellow pads in stock front and rear and rear discs, fronts on 2-3 day turn around from facotry if you want them pm me.

Pete
I don't rate ebc pads after they crumbled on a trackday. Standard brakes heat up too quickly and take forever to cool down, then it does depends on the shape of your track, ie. my local has 2 high speed hairpins so very hard on brakes.
 

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I don't rate ebc pads after they crumbled on a trackday. Standard brakes heat up too quickly and take forever to cool down, then it does depends on the shape of your track, ie. my local has 2 high speed hairpins so very hard on brakes.
All I can say is one season 2010 we did the following:
20 minute races
10 races
10 practises
40 minute 2 driver
40 minute race
20 min practise
Hour Enduro Race
60 mins race
30 min practise
Test Days
4 30 min sessions hours Rockingham x 2
Charity Day
2 hours with A. Reid driving my car

On one set of EBC Blue stuff pads with EBC turbo groove discs.

Thats Brands, Cadwell, Mallory, Rockingham, Castle Combe, Silverstone GP Circiut, Oulton Park which are some of the best circuits in the UK.

I cant fault them.

My car is 1140Kilos (not from choice but regulations) running on MSA 1b tyres
again to regs.
 

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Depends on what use you are going to put the car to, Fire Engineer needs something beefy to cope with his regular track.

For most purposes STD Xpart Discs and Pads will be more than enough with good initial bite from cold. Learning how to brake properly withh release a huge amount of potential from your brakes.

If you want even better then budget for £140 set of pads and go with established big names like Ferodo, Hawk, Padgid, Mintex, Galfer, Endless, Carbon Lorraine etc. However you need to be getting motorsport based compounds. At this point you need to know what your requirement is, how to generate the right braking balance etc.

EG. A set of Galfer 1082 Sintered Metallic pads will give you awesome stopping power when at operating temperature, however in normal road use you can struggle to get any heat into them and you have very little braking force when stone cold.
 

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These were Greenstuff pads, now a dark brown colour as you can see in the calliper. The inside of the wheel is splattered with lumps of pad material. The paint melted off the alloys but I had them powder coated after that.
IIRC Greenstuff are fast road/track pads in the glossy pages.
 

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These were Greenstuff pads, now a dark brown colour as you can see in the calliper. The inside of the wheel is splattered with lumps of pad material. The paint melted off the alloys but I had them powder coated after that.
IIRC Greenstuff are fast road/track pads in the glossy pages.
Green are not ideal for track use, yellow are and blue, red are not suitable for mg's designed for turbo road cars.

Yellow would be best bet for road use.
 

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Depends on what use you are going to put the car to, Fire Engineer needs something beefy to cope with his regular track.

For most purposes STD Xpart Discs and Pads will be more than enough with good initial bite from cold. Learning how to brake properly withh release a huge amount of potential from your brakes.

If you want even better then budget for £140 set of pads and go with established big names like Ferodo, Hawk, Padgid, Mintex, Galfer, Endless, Carbon Lorraine etc. However you need to be getting motorsport based compounds. At this point you need to know what your requirement is, how to generate the right braking balance etc.

EG. A set of Galfer 1082 Sintered Metallic pads will give you awesome stopping power when at operating temperature, however in normal road use you can struggle to get any heat into them and you have very little braking force when stone cold.
Agree but for fast road use and some track the above would not be suitable plus they eat disc.s from very nature of pad. Dont understand why people ebc bash? Best british pad still made in uk. More aggressive pads will need a brake bias no abs and braided lines which 95 percent of cars will have on this forum.
 

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I want brakes for regular everyday use , somethimes a track use (5x in a year for 30minutes). I was thinkink of ebc yellow + turbo grooved disc on front and standart setting on a rear with ebc yellow. I have brembo´s with pagid´s pads on my 420di (262mm) and they are real weak for front axle after few heavy brakings, so maybe for a rear of my ZS they would be ok ( they are also wented so probably I have to change a calippers too)

have somebody tryed nitrac discs? http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/products/product_info.mhtml?product=15297866


or black diamond ? or tarox?

what is better grooved ones or drilled or mixed? because I ´ve heard that drilled ones could crack if the temperature is too high? is that true?
 

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Why do more "agressive" pads require no ABS, braided lines and I presume you meant an adjustable bias?

There are so many examples of EBC pads falling apart and performance wise they just cannot match products from the quality end of the market. Brakes are are very good example of "you get what you pay for"

Thats why no professional teams in motorsport use them. Peter Jackson in Aussie V8 used to have EBC written on car but the pads were Mintex in the calipers.
 

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Why do more "agressive" pads require no ABS, braided lines and I presume you meant an adjustable bias?

There are so many examples of EBC pads falling apart and performance wise they just cannot match products from the quality end of the market. Brakes are are very good example of "you get what you pay for"

Thats why no professional teams in motorsport use them. Peter Jackson in Aussie V8 used to have EBC written on car but the pads were Mintex in the calipers.
Matt,

If you are a professional racer then your budget for your GT3 or similar going to AP buying 6 pots front with 4 pots rear with full race pads will not be a issue. Or spending 7K on break set up. With new rotars and dsics costing at least £1500 a set then thats fine. Most professional teams race and rally will bin rotars and pads after each event. So every track day spend another £1500 on new rotars and pads. Like wise they bin slicks after one run, change all fluids, new clutch each weekend. Real professionsla teams will 2 -3 engine boxes with them...... How far do you want togo with this.... We are talking about a MG road car looking for some good quality discs and pads for road and odd track use.


If you building a 150K race car and racing in Britcar thats say with a budget of 6K per race and 15K for 24 hour (with out the car cost) you will buy the best you can get.

Clearly you not a fan of ebc, thats fine mate. All I can say they have never let me down, or any of the cars I have run, or raced against. Nore any of the ZR's and MGF's and Metro GTI's, MGB V8's or MGB VHPD, or MGC, of TVR or WRX or M3's that use them.

Most specialist pad firms dont stock mg pads, nore will they make you any with out big costs. Front and rears for under £120 quid for a full season you can got wrong at that.

We ran 6 pots and 2 pots front and rear in brit car with p/friction pads but they were designed for 24hr application not road or sprint racing. Discs and pad set up cost more than the car was worth. However the brakes were great on slicks on a full race car. But to get the best you needed new slicks per event at 190 a corner.

Have a look at the EBC web site mate you may learn something about those who use's them.

I can also quote a touring car ex works driver who has driven my car round combe (one of fastest circuit in UK with big braking zones) on year old pads and 2 year old disc's with season old road tyres and had no issue either. And had great delight beating his mate Wizo 90K's worth of new porker in my ZS.

But hay you dont like them so therefore they are rubbish? In fact you say that about a lot of things unless you sell them.....
 

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Quite,

Road based cars.

OE pads and discs outperform all of the "uprated" offerings from the bottom end of the price scale, for better than OE, look to the more exotic compounds from the established names, like Ferodo, Mintex, Endless, Hawk etc etc. Most do pad applications although look up for Honda on the US manufacturers.

People use EBC because they are cheap.

Seriously if you use EBC in competition you are missing a big trick, brakes like tyres, always get the very best you can if you want to win/be safe.
 

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Quite,

Seriously if you use EBC in competition you are missing a big trick, brakes like tyres, always get the very best you can if you want to win/be safe.

Matt

Can only stand by the results achieved. "Championship winning products"


What have you won on yours?

What set up do you run on tarmac?

How often do you change them?

What do you pay for them?

Who pays for yours out of interest?

http://www.ebcbrakesblog.com/
 

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ok my target is to have brakes ass good as it is possible for less money, don´t want standart ones for replace but want tuninng part, thanks for help car13 i will pm you for those brakes you offered.
 
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